Hello, I have a original Tone Generator rack. I’m trying to set up a Multi, but when I choose a voice for one of the parts, it doesn’t sound the same as it does in Voice mode. Organ PRE1 #69 “Expensive” is the voice in question, but I’ve noticed the same thing with other voices too. I’ve studied the manual and don’t see anything related. Any ideas? Am I misunderstanding the way “Multi” works? I thought it was for layering multiple voices, and that a voice as part of a multi would sound the same as it does in voice mode.

Thanks,
-Glenn

The difference being heard is basically due to System Effects (reverb and chorus) not being copied from the Voice to the Multi.

This thread…
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/446890/
...although about the Rack ES, explains the reasoning. If you have a compatible computer, you may find that the Melas software mentioned might be useful.

The Using Multi Effects section of the Motif Rack Owners Manual (pages 49-51) covers setting up effects in Multi mode.

This support article might also be helpful:
http://files.keyfax.com/PDFs/Motif_rackFX.pdf

Thanks 5pinDIN! That was the info I needed.

In my case, it was the voice’s Dual Insertion Effects that made the difference. The PRE1 #69 “Expensive” voice has overdrive and modulation for the insertion effects. I learned how you can use Job->Copy to “activate” (as they say in the pdf) the insertion effects for a voice used as a part in a Multi.

I wonder why the Dual Insertion Effects don’t carry over to a Multi by default.

-Glenn

gltech - 22 December 2019 02:24 AM

Thanks 5pinDIN! That was the info I needed.

You’re welcome.

 

gltech - 22 December 2019 02:24 AM

In my case, it was the voice’s Dual Insertion Effects that made the difference. The PRE1 #69 “Expensive” voice has overdrive and modulation for the insertion effects. I learned how you can use Job->Copy to “activate” (as they say in the pdf) the insertion effects for a voice used as a part in a Multi.

I’m glad that did the trick for you. It’s often that the System Effects are the problem, but of course if the Insert Effects don’t carry over to a Part in the Multi, then the characteristics of that sound will be significantly affected.

 

gltech - 22 December 2019 02:24 AM

I wonder why the Dual Insertion Effects don’t carry over to a Multi by default.

It’s unclear why Yamaha made that decision. I have a couple of later keyboard models (XS6 & XF6), and the Insert Effects do copy to Parts in the Performance and Multi modes (Song/Pattern) by default. Those models also have “Parameter with Voice”, which can be turned on/off to determine whether other Voice Parameters (Arp settings, Filter Cutoff Frequency, Filter Resonance, Amplitude EG, Filter EG, Pitch Bend Range (Upper/Lower), and Note Shift) copy to a Part. It’s evident that the models evolved with time, but the Classic Motif ones still get the job done. Have fun!

gtech, can you tell me how you use JOB COPY to activate insertion effects. I don’t get that.  Thanks