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ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
HOPE i am expressing the following so that i can help for u to help resolve.
Please, please HELP !! Mr.BADmister, if possible, Thanq. |
ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
BadMister, 5 SpinDin , hey guys no reply for resolve as of yet ? Please.....Thanq. |
stoneb3
Total Posts: 851
Joined 06-05-2011 status: Guru |
I’m not sure how you created or loaded the file you are working with, but you have duplicated the waveforms, doubling the load time and memory usage. I would determine what waves are being pointed to in your user voices and then delete the waveforms that are not being used. Page 256 describes how to perform the task: delete waveform. When completed, re-save as a new file. The XS has a feature called “Delete Same Name Waveforms”, I don’t recall it being available on the ES through any subsequent OS Updates. I would echo what Meatballfulton said in your other post regarding the ES being somewhat older and that it may be harder to get a quick response. Also it’s been quiet here lately. Stone |
lastfermata
Total Posts: 54
Joined 01-20-2012 status: Experienced |
BadMister is answering questions here: It might be worthwhile to pose your question there. |
ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
Thanq stoneb3.
I go to integrated sampling & delete the 11 thru 20 & as soon as I play the pattern which has 3 of the 10 voices, they are ofcourse in the list 1 thru 10 & 11 thru 20 (3 of them)with data.
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stoneb3
Total Posts: 851
Joined 06-05-2011 status: Guru |
I am struggling to understand but I think I’m getting there.
Did you create the file that you are loading?
Or have you loaded this as an All File? You have 10 voices and how many patterns and what is the file size? |
meatballfulton
Total Posts: 3022
Joined 01-25-2005 status: Guru |
Patterns and songs are saved with any samples that are needed. Are you using any Mix Voices in your patterns? Your problem with this and slow load times (in your other post) are probably related to not understanding how the ES saves data. esp. sample data. We’ll try to help you work through this, please be patient. When we ask you specific questions, we’ll need specific answers. In the meantime, please reread the sections of the ES manual that discuss how data is organized in the ES and how data is saved and loaded. |
ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
Thanq sb3 & mbf,
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meatballfulton
Total Posts: 3022
Joined 01-25-2005 status: Guru |
I answered your question about arpeggio hold vs. sync yesterday. Go take a look ;) W7A is an All file. It contains all songs, all patterns, all samples, all voices and all system settings in the ES at the time it was saved. W7V is an All Voice file. It contains all samples and all voices in the ES at the time it was saved. Why don’t you start by telling us where you obtained these files. Are you trying to load only the voices from these files? |
PeterG
Total Posts: 2052
Joined 01-30-2004 status: Guru |
Just a comment : files come in pairs - the 7 and the 8. So a W7V comes with a W8V. The 7 is the various sound parameters whereas the 8 is the waveform data. Both files normally open together when you open the 7. But here’s the point : if by any chance you only load the W7V without the W8V the Voice will appear but there will be no sound. The reason is, of course, that there will be no sample for the Voice to play. It’s the same with the All files. |
ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
Right. I am loading not just the W7V but the W7V (which consists of both W7V & W8V-can see 2 little folders) sound parameters & waveform data) correct ?
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meatballfulton
Total Posts: 3022
Joined 01-25-2005 status: Guru |
You don;t need the two waveforms. You only have them because you loaded the voice data twice. The ES does not know that these voices are the same, so it loads the waveforms again rtaher than using the ones that are already there. The ES sample memory loses it’s contents when you turn the instrument off. It does not lose the voice data, though. So ionce you have the voices in User2, they are there until you dleete them. However, the waveforms used by the voices are lost across power cycles so the voices will have no sound. It is easier to reload the voices (with the waveforms) than just reloading the waveforms but you should only do this once after powering on the ES. If you try to load them again, every time you do it will load the waveforms again leaving multiple copies in RAM. So try this:
1. Turn off the ES (this deletes all samples and sequencer data)
OK, do whatever you want and when you are done working save an All file (all the data in the ES...songs, patterns, voices, etc.) before you turn off the ES. If you want this file to reload automatically when you turn the ES back on, name it AUTOLD and turn on the autoload feature of the ES (see the manual for details). If you want to reload the All file manually, name it whatever you like. |
KMKKEYS
Total Posts: 141
Joined 02-16-2009 status: Pro |
For what its worth, I still use a Motif ES6. I haven’t dealt with samples or waveforms for a while mainly because I have what I need, and just do a load all before all gigs. What I would probably do in your case is to back up your files as is onto a computer or thumb drive, go into the ES and delete the waveforms 11 thru 20 and see if there are any changes to your sample and if there are none, just save all as you now have it and call it a day. I don’t recall if the ES has a feature that allows you to delete samples that are alike or named the same. I believe that my XS has this feature. Trial and error is what makes you smarter in any facet of life. Just remember to backup everything before you try something new. Take it from me, you will not regret this as I sort of learned the hard way. Hope this helps, Kenny |
ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
OK MBF, Sure you will get me thru this one & hopefully I will understand. Here’s the scoop: I did all that was advised in the above replies. Nothing worked :(
After a FACTORY RESET,I loaded the 10 USER VOICES from a LIBRARY. A few LEAD & a few RHYTHM instruments.
As soon as I LOAD the PATTERN a few more waveforms show up (repeats of what are already there.
Please, please, HELP !!
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5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
If you load all the data at once, the duplication won’t occur (unless it’s that way in the file you’re loading). If you first load Voices that have associated User Waveforms, and then load Patterns based on Voices that use the same Waveforms, the ES doesn’t know not to load the Waveforms again. This can be dealt with in the XS, and was fixed in the XF. Is what happens causing an actual problem (such as running out of sample memory during a session)? Otherwise, I’d suggest just ignoring the situation. If you’re running out of memory, how much SDRAM (DIMM) memory is installed in your ES? |
ENOO
Total Posts: 144
Joined 07-05-2008 status: Pro |
Yes those voices are in the pattern. When I delete the duplicated waveforms & then try to do a save, it reads -45999 UNKNOWN ERROR ? SDRAM (DIMM) Believe it’s the MAX which is 2 of 256 MB correct ?
So now:
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