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Mighty Motif Max
Total Posts: 317
Joined 04-30-2016 status: Enthusiast |
Hi everyone! What is the best way to create some more realistic brass section voices? The presets on my xf sound tinny, canned, and processed. Is there a way to modify the presets, or is there a good sound library? Thanks! -Max |
cmayhle
Total Posts: 3116
Joined 10-05-2011 status: Guru |
I can’t recommend 3rd party brass sounds from experience, but yes, you can edit the Preset VOICES with the entire collection of parameters available in VOICE and ELEMENT EDIT, then STORE as a USER VOICE. |
Mighty Motif Max
Total Posts: 317
Joined 04-30-2016 status: Enthusiast |
Thank you for the suggestion. I have been editing the brass voices for some time. The problem seems to be that there is too much high-gain on the voices. The problem is, I cannot reduce it enough, even with EQ, and it appears to be in some of the samples as well. My CVP-305 Clavinova’s brass is more realistic in the end. What I am trying to say is that the tone reminds me of if someone layered two of the same voice, and changed nothing. That weird chorus-like effect. For now I have a heavily modified “Velo Falls” voice, but it still has to much of that tonality. -Max |
5pinDIN
Total Posts: 11891
Joined 09-16-2010 status: Legend |
I would never deny that some of the presets could stand some improvement (although I suspect that we wouldn’t agree on which ones, and what needed to be changed about them :-) ). However, there seems to be a common theme here…
... so is it possible that there’s a common cause? Have you gotten a pair of good speakers yet? Have you determined if you’re hitting sufficient key velocity levels?
http://www.motifator.com/index.php/forum/viewthread/461020/
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Mighty Motif Max
Total Posts: 317
Joined 04-30-2016 status: Enthusiast |
OK. The piano stuff was through mono. This brass problem is through stereo. This is in a live environment with stereo and everything else. I am hitting the keys hard enough, as I am using the XF8, not the YS200 for playing the brass sounds. Thanks for the links! -Max |
meatballfulton
Total Posts: 3022
Joined 01-25-2005 status: Guru |
Too processed? Turn off the effects using the front panel buttons and see what you think. If that sounds better to you, then edit the voices to remove the effects (or dial them back) and save as User Voices. |
KMKKEYS
Total Posts: 141
Joined 02-16-2009 status: Pro |
As silly as this may sound. I used to use a Korg T-3 and used one of their stock Brass Mix sounds that my band still swear to this date that sounds better than any brass sounds that I am able to compile with either my ES-6 or my XS-6. I tooled around with stock brass sounds and thought that I was able to more or less recreate the sounds that they swear are better sounding. Now I know, that sounds of any type are subjective and though that I created something that would take place of the brass in the T-3. Anyway, I still have the T-3, but it resides in a hard case and occasionally I rent it along with other keyboards that I have acquired over the years. I told the band to get over it and they have. I did however decrease some of the effects that reside in the Yamaha keyboards as they are somewhat heavy in my opinion and this seemed to help, but I believe that the Korg T-3 sounds are in a 16 bit linear format and the sound a little more raw. I’m not sure what bit that the Yamaha keyboards raw data are sampled in and am not complaining. Just food for thought that maybe the brass in the Yamaha keyboards may be recorded too clean. Korg sells apps for the IPhones that replicate any and all of the factory sounds of the Korg M1/T3. They sound fine and seem to be very close to the sounds that already reside in my T-3. Sorry for the long post. Anyone have any thoughts on this? Kenny |
tuborg
Total Posts: 12
Joined 05-05-2009 status: Regular |
I will start to excause my bad english, I´m from Sweden. I understand your problem. But the issue is to play brass the right way. If you are using it in sequences, instead of using those “big brass sections” mix two or three different trumpets playing the same thing and maybe slightly detune one of them. For trombones you can use the soft brass sections but don´t play too many notes at the same time. Listen to “real” arrangements and look at full scores what the brass is doing. Check out big band arrangements or classical compositions.
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Mighty Motif Max
Total Posts: 317
Joined 04-30-2016 status: Enthusiast |
Thanks for the info. Unfortunately, I am not sequencing anything. I am playing it all live on my midi controller, which is controlling my XF8, which has piano and clavinet layered with strings. -Max |
DavePolich
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Joined 07-27-2002 status: Guru |
Tuborg is right on the money. Most keyboard players
A brass ensemble waveform will be eight players (or
If you want a realistic brass section sound from a
There are some things you can do..try making a layered
If you stil want an ensenble brass sound, try layering
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dsetto
Total Posts: 434
Joined 01-24-2014 status: Enthusiast |
Great ideas, Dave. Thank you. |
Mighty Motif Max
Total Posts: 317
Joined 04-30-2016 status: Enthusiast |
Works well for me! Sounds great too. Thanks! The only thing that I would like to have would be the sforzando effect. Thanks! -Max |
Orgeltummel
Total Posts: 1
Joined 10-20-2016 status: Newcomer |
Dear experts. I am completely new to this forum and got hold of a used xf6. I had the same problems getting an acceptable brass sound for a funk pop cover band. Being an ignorant in editing on the motif I did buy some sound libraries from Easy sounds.. In the set “live instruments” there is a performance combining two brass sounds with af little string sound added. Turning down the string sound and reducing reverb gave an absolutely ok result. Of course this is not a very skilled advice but it might help you for a start |
kvt
Total Posts: 78
Joined 04-30-2011 status: Experienced |
I am getting great results by sampling my own sounds..
Create ensemble sound as you want by using kontakt libraries and than resample that sound using John mela waveform editor and add that waveform in to Motif VOICE.
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dsetto
Total Posts: 434
Joined 01-24-2014 status: Enthusiast |
Thanks, KVT for sharing your workflow approach. ... Not sure if I’ll ever get to it, but I like having a sense of the many ways of approaching our Motif family keyboards. |
Mighty Motif Max
Total Posts: 317
Joined 04-30-2016 status: Enthusiast |
Interesting. I do not have any Kontakt products, but many people do, so this information is helpful. I have worked a lot with the Velo Falls voice, and found that my adjusting the eq a good bit and layering it with another copy of itself, at an octave lower, I can get a reasonable result. Dave Polich’s method works very well too. -Max |