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ENOO
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Please MBF or 5SD,
My ? is if I made it a USER VOICE, does the SMPL VOICE still remain in the system, is it necessary anymore for the sample voice to exist after making it a USER VOICE.
ALSO, in the USER VOICE am i supposed to have created 2 of them from the ONE SAMPLE
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5pinDIN
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As far as I know, once you create a User Wave, a User Voice can directly access it from the User Wave (usr wav) Bank. Of course, the User Wave is in volatile SDRAM, and an appropriate file has to be saved so it isn’t lost.
This might help:
Sorry, I don’t understand your question. |
ENOO
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Thanx.
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5pinDIN
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The sound of any Voice (Preset or User) begins with a Waveform. Some of those Waveforms are in the ES ROM, and others are User ones that can be temporarily stored in SDRAM. Elements of a Voice use those Waveforms, but they are not included in the Voice itself. If you delete the sample(s) a User Voice is based on, there won’t be any sound from that Voice. See Tone Generator block beginning on page 157 of the ES Owner’s Manual. |
ENOO
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Thanx 5pD,
Now here’s the ?: I have a sample voice (waveform) which is in PATTERN 1. Now I have another 2 patterns, PATTERN’s 2 & 3 in which I want to use the same patch (sample voice) so I copy the USER PHRASE (patch) from PATTERN 1 to PATTERN’s 2 & 3.
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5pinDIN
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Sorry, but unfortunately, based on your use/misuse of Yamaha terminology, it seems that you have an incomplete understanding of the relationship between Samples, Waveforms, Voices, Elements, Patterns, Parts, etc. Until you know how they relate to each other, this discussion could go round and round. Therefore, I’m only going to address the basic question. Yes, you can create a User Voice that is based on a User Waveform, and then that Voice can be used in a Part in any Pattern. I suggest that you back up your data - save at least an “All” file, preferably more - and then try things for yourself. Eventually it should become clearer what will and won’t work. Don’t be afraid to try something - as long as you have backups, if anything goes wrong you can always restore your data. |
ENOO
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ok yes i am not expressing myself clearly & that could be a misuse of terminology that I must improve on. I clearly understand that the VOICE is what has the elements,parameters, etc., & it will not sound until it wears a “SUIT/dressing” which is the waveform. What i asked u is simple. By having a user voice based on a user waveform: Will that avoid creating more duplicate waveforms/samples by copying a user phrase from a Sample voice in one PATTERN to another PATTERN (that uses the same SAMPLE VOICE)which will increase the memory/loading USB flash, etc.
& yes !!
I believe you have understood my ? more clearly this time.
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5pinDIN
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Assigning a User Voice to one or more Parts in one or more Patterns does not cause the Waveform to be duplicated. |
ENOO
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OK i tried to make it clear as possible.
My query is: If i DO NOT make it a user voice & COPY a USER PHRASE from a PATTERN PART (which has the “SAMPLE VOICE") in the MIX to a part in a different pattern, does it not then duplicate waveforms respectively to the parts that i’ve copied them to in different patterns. So say I had the same USER PHRASE from a part of a PATTERN’s “SAMPLE VOICE” & copied it to 4 other patterns. Now would it not have the same waveform in total being “5” which will show in the integrated sampler waves as well as in the waveform files ? (& that’s what made me arise this ?) The concern was by NOT making the waveform a USER VOICE, would i be losing memory space + it takes more time loading ALL files by USB Flash ?
Hope this time i made myself really clear.
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5pinDIN
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As you have previously observed, copying a Phrase from one Pattern to another duplicates the Waveform of the User Sample Voice. That’s probably because the ES can’t predict what you might do to the Pattern that has the original one - if you were to delete the original Pattern, then the Waveform would otherwise be gone from not only that original Pattern, but also the one you copied to. Duplicate Waveforms increase memory usage and file loading times. I hope that’s clear, because I can’t think of any more to say on this subject that would further clarify it. |
ENOO
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No, no & no more clarification necessary. This subject is very clear to me now so that i may alternatively create user voices & that way have ONE sample/waveform that suits up my user voice which can be called in the mix of the parts of various patterns & at the same time have efficient memory usage as well as lesser loading times. Right now with 7 SONGS, 10 patterns & approx 20 samples/user waveforms it takes about 5 min & 13 secs. Thanq Mr. 5pD, highly appreciate it. |