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Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
(commercial announcement - posted with permission) Hello Motifators, If you’ve ever been interested in the KARMA Motif Software, now’s a great time to take advantage of Karma-Lab’s one-week only 4th of July Sale. Now through July 8, 2014, receive 25% off - that’s a savings of $49.75! ($199 regular - $49.75 = $149.25.) Simply use coupon code JULY4-25-OFF during step 2 of the checkout procedure to receive your discount. KARMA Motif brings the world-famous KARMA algorithmic music technology to your Yamaha*, making it even more of an interactive groove machine. Running on your Mac/PC, KARMA Motif adds incredibly sophisticated phrase and arpeggiation effects with human-feel randomization and arranger-like capabilities, and even incorporates the Motif’s arps as additional elements. For videos and more information, visit karma-lab.com/karma-motif. * Compatible with Motif XF, Motif XS, Motif-Rack XS, MOX, and MOXF. Note: the videos show the software being used with a Motif XF, but it sounds exactly the same and works virtually the same with all supported models. And if you’re interested in an overview of KARMA’s interactive features and how they can be controlled from the Motif’s Remote mode, click on the following diagram:
Happy 4th of July weekend!
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bashinsk
Total Posts: 17
Joined 03-29-2007 status: Regular |
Any chance of still getting this deal??? :) hb |
cmayhle
Total Posts: 3116
Joined 10-05-2011 status: Guru |
Why not ask them directly? |
bashinsk
Total Posts: 17
Joined 03-29-2007 status: Regular |
I thought I was with this post! :) |
Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
In general, the answer would be “no” - sorry, but if I honor out-of-date expired sales any time of the year, then it’s no different than permanently lowering the price, is it? A sale is on when it’s on, and over when it’s over, and then maybe again someday we have another sale. However, if you contact me through the karma-lab.com website, I’ll see what I can do. :)
- Stephen Kay
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Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
Thanks for this! Glad to know you are enjoying the software! :)
- Stephen Kay
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chasmanian
Total Posts: 319
Joined 01-27-2014 status: Enthusiast |
hi Stephen,
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stoneb3
Total Posts: 851
Joined 06-05-2011 status: Guru |
Click on Karma-Yamaha, left hand side of the page. |
chasmanian
Total Posts: 319
Joined 01-27-2014 status: Enthusiast |
I must be tired to have missed that.
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stoneb3
Total Posts: 851
Joined 06-05-2011 status: Guru |
You’re welcome Chas. |
Pjblues
Total Posts: 61
Joined 12-18-2013 status: Experienced |
Does Karma install straight forward and not mess anything up on the XF? |
Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
Well, I guess that depends on your definition of “mess up”. The grooves, sounds and backing tracks that you can see in the video (for example) are part of the 64 KARMA Performances included with the software (not to be confused with Motif Performances - we just happen to use the same word for different things.) A KARMA Performance calls up a corresponding Motif Song or Multi (without any MIDI data in it) - up to 16 tracks of pre-programmed parts with MIDI Channels, Voices assigned, effects assigned, mix and EQ etc. This is what the KARMA Performance “plays”. So, we include 64 Songs that must be loaded into the Motif’s Song Mode (or Multi Mode in the case of the Rack-XS and S70/S90 XS). Secondly, some of those songs use custom Voices that we’ve edited and stored in USER3 bank. And all of those songs use some custom Drum Kits that we’ve edited and stored in the USER DRM bank. So, to answer your question, you need to load our data file into your Motif in order for the KARMA software to play the correct sounds and grooves. The easiest way is to back up your Motif to an “all” data file first, then load our “all” data file - and everything works. However, we do include a tutorial document that explains exactly which pieces of the data are required so that you can create a hybrid file if you want to containing a mix of the KARMA data and your own custom sounds. I recently had a customer “freak out” after buying the software when he found out he had to actually load sounds (whoah!) into his keyboard (an MOXF). He was petrified by the idea of changing anything. Once I walked him through how simple it was to backup the state of the entire keyboard to an “all” data file, he changed his mind and is now happily using the software. Here’s something I wrote on the subject from the Installation Guide: If you are new to the idea of replacing the contents of your Motif with something else in order to use a specific program, think of it this way: the KARMA data is a “file for a particular purpose”. The contents of the keyboard can be changed. You can load one file for one purpose, and another file for another purpose. This is common for more advanced users - it takes just a few moments to load a completely new file that changes all of the contents of your Motif from one setup to another setup. You can have one set of data you use with KARMA, one set of data you use with a DAW, one set of data you use for live performance, etc. Edit: Any user of one of these Yamaha keyboards that is afraid to change the sounds inside their keyboard by loading other files, and hasn’t learned to back up their own data such that they are free to load other files without fear, is never going to experience the full use of that keyboard, or the freedom that comes from understanding that your keyboard has the ability to become many different things depending on what you currently want it to be.
- Stephen Kay
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Pjblues
Total Posts: 61
Joined 12-18-2013 status: Experienced |
Wow, thanks so much for clearing this up. I have always been a fan of yours but never really thought about Karma since purchasing the Motif XF. I am an older person (63), and was a bit nervous about replacing files on the Motif. This seems straight forward enough for me. I am in! |
Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
Hi PJBlues,
- Stephen Kay
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Mr. Spock
Total Posts: 99
Joined 03-02-2012 status: Experienced |
Hi Stephen this might sound silly but can you expand on this more because this is exactly where i’m at , I love my XF 8 but can’t quite wrap my head around the concept of the flash , file , save load system .
I’m confused about why it’s so great . I think part of the reason I’m so confuse is because it seems yamaha field up empty slots with duplicate voices so I’m scared to remove or erase anything with out deleting factory sounds . Let’s say I go to a category and choose a voice from the menu , when I go back to the menu sometime that voice will be in a different category from where I picked it , very confusing for me . Then if I do save a voice where is it going? Is it going back into the ocean of voices the XF has , how do I stay organized ?
Also I’m not sure where to save my performances with out erasing a factory performance because theres no empty slots like on my Oasys . It’s probably a very simple concept that I have not yet understood and maybe even the simplest of explanation can be a major game changer in the way I interact with my XF .
The thought of adding Karma to the motif is exciting but agin how is this meant to work .
Thanks for any help
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Stephen Kay
Total Posts: 169
Joined 01-13-2011 status: Pro |
Hi.
Secondly, yes, it’s true that Yamaha fills up the USER Banks with copies of sounds from the Preset Bank. I guess they decided to do this instead of shipping the unit with empty banks (although for people like you, that might have been the better way to go. This is one reason that Korg always makes sure to have some empty banks in the unit - so there is an obvious place for users to put stuff. :) This is also why you sometimes will see the same voice in two different locations. The categories will not be different, but if you are viewing the sounds by bank, let’s say in the Editor, you can find the same sound twice in different banks - once in a PRE bank, and once in a USR bank. The way it works (I believe, and someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but I think I’ve got it), is:
XS:
XF:
Referencing the above, the only bank on the XF you have to even think about is USR1, which contains new factory voices (not found in the PRE banks). You can safely replace USR2, USR3, USR4 and USERD (drums) without losing anything, because they are all copies.
Well, the voices “go away” when they are replaced. They now exist in your backup file - yes, you just load them back anytime you want. But, and this is what I was talking about, if you just get comfortable making backups of your data, you can safely replace USR1 as well, and reload it any time you want! If some sound set uses USR1, you can load it up, play around with it, then reload USR1 from your backup file anytime and have the unit back exactly as it was before. Furthermore, let’s say you’ve modified some of the content to the point where you now have some of your own edits mixed in with the rest of the factory stuff. Again, you can just backup the entire state of the XF to an “all” data file, and then reload the whole thing, or only parts of it, any time you want. You can even restore single voices or banks of them, single performances or banks of them, by changing the “Type” setting in the File Mode when you are going to load something.
Again, my suggestion is backup the factory sounds, then pick a bank to store your own stuff in, make backups of that from time to time, and you can reload the factory performance bank any time you feel like it, and reload your own stuff anytime you feel like it. This greatly expands the capabilities of the unit.
Well, I thought I explained it pretty thoroughly in the previous post, but you just backup your own data, load our data, and the KARMA Motif software “plays” our songs and custom voices and drum kits, and gives you all sorts of cool backing tracks to create music with and jam with. I’ve even prepared some tutorials for “beginners” that explains how to do a complete backup of the unit, so that you can safely load the KARMA data, play around with it, and then go back to exactly what you had before if desired. It’s pretty painless once you learn how to backup and restore the state of the machine. You can find them here: http://www.karma-lab.com/karmasoft/kmo/docs.html#beginner There’s a lot more to the File Mode, but getting comfortable with it is key to expanding your use of the XF beyond the “I’m afraid to load anything” stage. :) Hope that helps! (Peace from NJ as well!)
- Stephen Kay
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